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Post by wesley on Nov 15, 2011 17:20:08 GMT -5
Has anyone established what the IQ of the average zombie would be? And yes - I know it's wrong to stereotype any group of people. And zombies should be looked upon as individuals. But someone must have decided on a range for classification purposes. I'm guessing in the 20's to low 30's as a high. But I'm open to other opinions.
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Post by Blacksheep on Nov 18, 2011 2:26:56 GMT -5
In order to make a guess at what a zombie's IQ could be, we would have to assume that they have a capacity to learn to begin with. I imagine someone could be a little creative and try to develop an answer based on how well a regular person learns when they are afflicted with a particularly terrible illness or disease.
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Post by MegaDude on Nov 18, 2011 2:34:39 GMT -5
If I remember right, IQ, or the intelligence quotient, is the ratio of the persons mental age to their actual age, or something along those lines.
I'd guess the average shambling zombie would have the intelligence of a 1-2 year old child. If so, that would put their technical IQ less than 10 or so.
Of course that's a wild generalization, and is totally up for debate.
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Post by matov on Nov 18, 2011 6:44:24 GMT -5
I dont think that they could have any discernable IQ.
For me Zombies operate on nothing more than pure instinct and have zero ability to in anyway reason.
Although I concede I am a purist.
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Post by Blacksheep on Nov 18, 2011 7:22:43 GMT -5
Can a score be reasonably applied to another animal? Forgive me if I come off sounding ignorant.
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Post by MegaDude on Nov 18, 2011 12:02:42 GMT -5
Yeah, so rather than thinking in terms of IQ, lets go back to human child equivalent. Maybe even make our own zombie intelligence scale, the HCE.
So when I said zombies have the intelligence of a 1-2 year old, I was thinking just instinct and reaction to stimulus. But with physical abilities that are much greater than a child of course.
But in a story where the zombies can open doors or even communicate with each other, maybe their HCE would be more like 4-5?
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Post by matov on Nov 18, 2011 12:22:06 GMT -5
But in a story where the zombies can open doors or even communicate with each other, maybe their HCE would be more like 4-5? Are they Zombies though if they can do this ? Sorry if I am being pedantic and as somebody who admits that Zombies are not really my main post-apoc interest I accept that I am not that up to date with latest thinking but for me the point of Zombies is that they have to be without any form of humanity left in them. They need to be an unthinking, all consuming mass who have no ability to reason or think beyond their murderous instincts. Because once you start thinking any different then it becomes that much harder to lop the bastards heads off
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Post by KevinTheCynic on Nov 22, 2011 5:16:33 GMT -5
I'm a purist also, for me a zombie is a shambling, no/low intelligence, undead creature. If it was smart enough to start opening doors then it must be capable of reasoning. Then it can no longer be a zombie but a higher form of undead such as a wight, ghoul or revenant. But in a story where the zombies can open doors or even communicate with each other, maybe their HCE would be more like 4-5? Are they Zombies though if they can do this ? Sorry if I am being pedantic and as somebody who admits that Zombies are not really my main post-apoc interest I accept that I am not that up to date with latest thinking but for me the point of Zombies is that they have to be without any form of humanity left in them. They need to be an unthinking, all consuming mass who have no ability to reason or think beyond their murderous instincts. Because once you start thinking any different then it becomes that much harder to lop the bastards heads off
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Post by postapo on Feb 17, 2012 16:36:44 GMT -5
I don't think it would be possible to measure that, since an IQ is rather a human thing, but if it can open doors, then its either able to have kept old automatics from the living person it was once, or it is able to think and should be higher than usual animals, like a raven or something. But i guess in movies where zombies can open doors, it's more likely that the directors reason that with with some unconscious memory or thatlike, I think So measuring a zombies IQ is kind of impossible, i think, how should you measure the IQ of a cow? But i think you can tell that zombies are dumber than cows
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Post by relgycandy on Mar 2, 2013 4:44:49 GMT -5
I imagine someone could be a little creative and try to develop an answer based on how well a regular person learns when they are afflicted with a particularly terrible illness or disease. _____________________________________ wow gold| diablo 3 gold| wow gold kaufen| GW2 Gold
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Post by thehangedman on Mar 4, 2013 4:31:11 GMT -5
I remember in Day of the dead they could be taught to do some things. They could be taught not to attack people, to use tools and even be taught how to use guns. In DOTD I also remember it being mentioned that the person's past has an effect on the walker in question. Bubb salutes a soldier after recognizing his uniform, which is believed to be the result of him remembering faintly who he was (though this could just be mimicking behavior that he had seen in the military base.) He did, however, operate a fire arm by himself after being handed the weapon by the doctor, so it is possible that after being tamed a zombie can learn things.
Though this is mostly based off of the works of Romero. In Land of the dead they teach themselves all this as their Savior comes so I don't know how often this kind of thinking will work.
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Post by autumn on Mar 11, 2013 10:53:07 GMT -5
To properly determine something's IQ they need to be able to take the test. I can't imagine a zombie taking an IQ test. Also its pretty difficult to define what a zombie is these days, i mean that film Warm Bodies (which is terrible bu the way, never watch it) has zombies that can think and even drive. Also zombies would have to exist, and while it might be plausible that we could get some kind of disease that would induce us to a zombie-like state, we are never going to die and come back just to eat other people's heads regardless of the disease, so we wouldn't technically be a zombie, thus zombies will never exist.
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Post by thehangedman on Mar 12, 2013 6:20:29 GMT -5
we are never going to die and come back just to eat other people's heads regardless of the disease, so we wouldn't technically be a zombie, thus zombies will never exist. Honestly tough? I think everyone already knows this, the idea is to simply explore the lore, rather than debate on the existence of walking corpses.
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Post by autumn on Mar 13, 2013 6:08:11 GMT -5
we are never going to die and come back just to eat other people's heads regardless of the disease, so we wouldn't technically be a zombie, thus zombies will never exist. Honestly tough? I think everyone already knows this, the idea is to simply explore the lore, rather than debate on the existence of walking corpses. Well yeah, but the rest of my post still stands. Surely the whole point of a zombie is that it's brain dead, it doesn't think, so its IQ would be 0 effectively.
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Post by wesley on Mar 30, 2013 10:24:32 GMT -5
"Surely the whole point of a zombie is that it's brain dead, it doesn't think, so its IQ would be 0 effectively."
But even a zombie learns after it turns. If nothing else it discovers "Flesh good, brains better. Must eat".
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